Zvonimir Radolović

-"How did you get the idea to cross the border? -Ok.. well I was in Uljanik so then .. and … went across the border and came bac.. they return me back … the idea I don´t know, you know, this is .. this is .. how to say it .. an adventure idea .. this is like … I wasn´t … with 18 years if age you do not have any political .. how to say it ... a political vision or something. But to go, go in .. in adventure. - Has anyone urge you to do this? - Like hell .. no but before we done this .. a lot of other people went, so we talk about it how we .. how we will go over the border. So we went. First time went in ´66., three of us, here is one, down there, Đani Buić and … he went to Australia and then, this … also Korba Berto went to Sweden where he live even today. Me, they return home as I was underage. But when came home was adult! So, I got 20 days of prison, in Kopar judged me for 20 days of … like judge said. - which border did you cross? - You .. go here, a, we went from..(Koprilove?) to Ancaran, to avoid, this, village and..here between Ancaran and Škofije, here we cross, the border. Where, we do not know, you don´t know as you go during night… and now we are in Italy, see an Italian bus, and then we knew we are in Italy. Hhh.. - Can we together reconstruct this journey? That day when you went? - Yes, we went by bus from Pula to Ko.. to Koper and there ..in Koper continue to walk, waited to …to get a … for a night to fell otherwise you have been stopped already in Koper. And .. and when night fell went through .. across a meadow and.. not through woods, but… across meadows, and a small river, think it was a river Rižana, then take the shoes off and cross over, the water was not deep..not even to the knee, and then we were thinking we are in Italy, did not know yet, continue to walk and hi.. and hide, while we noticed a bus, when saw the bus had Italian registration plates, then we knew we are in Trieste. "

-"...you came in Koper? - Yes, police was there, a.. police was to the border and in Koper. - You have been in prison in Koper? - Yes, yes, was there maybe two days, got the sentence of 20 days by their judge to spent in prison…after they took us to … only me ..in Rijeka, Via Roma, to this prison and from there I think a day after return me back, sleep over and then turn me back to Pula. By bus, I had a guard with me, he said:” Do not make any stupid things, see, I have handcuffs”. “No, I won´t..” and wen came to the bus, I found my niece, and ask a police officer can I give her a clothes to take it home as I still had a winter clothes, no..and..”Yees, no problem!” and no one new that I was going to prison. And passing through Pula I have met, like, from bus station till came to prison, a lot of people. “Where are you going?” “To prison”. “What will you do in prison?” Hahaha… this police officer was standing behind me so no one new, and … o, thinking, these are a funny stories… - How much time you spent in pula prison? - Thinking 17-18 days. Not sure, but .. was for 17 days and..(…) Then my sister use to come every morning and bring me biscuits, and this I split away with others who use to stay longer in prison like a year or so. This was a good “school”: you see, like, in jail I was glad to be there. Because I saw what is going on there and what can be done. You have everything. First day in prison one man said to me:”Tonight you will burn up”. New him from earlier from the city. Hhhh … he was, really he was a bandit, he was sentenced for 7 years. “Tonight you will burn up.” “O”, I said “ you will too”. “O no, no, just joking”, the same thing happened with some other man so he.. they have to placed him to the gate(??).. So, always, you know, you can learn something good and bad. Telling you I never regret for being in .. in prison but I .. disappointed my father. As my father did not tell me anything at the beginning but after a few months, said: “You are the first from Radolović family, from Sansovih who was in prison”. “No one was in prison ever”. “Someone had to go eventually”. Yes. - When came out of the prison what did you do? - Then we went to work, on .. on this smasher, up and then we destroyed this … history..of Histri and others..how I said before.. Illyrians. Yes. After, when finished we waited to get payed and then in the mean time I got a passport, they gave it to me. And.. and then we go…other four of us went to Trieste and today two of them are in France, one came back home, and one in Australia . - Do you remember with whom did you go next time? - We went by bus to Trieste. - This mean you go directly? - Yes, yes. - Two of them went two days.. a day before, and we went two days later. - At the border didn´t stopped you? - No… we had passports.."