Marian Jahoda

"Josef Zvěřina had it wonderfully organized in that he had his so-called assistants. One of his assistants started going to Olomouc, who always taught us a certain chapter, for example about the Holy Spirit, mariology, or God the Creator. He lectured a certain part, of course we discussed with him. Then Josef Zvěřina arrived, he did not say exams, but consultations. We discussed with him what arose from the questions. He gave it such a stamp and the meetings with him were amazing. First, he proved to us that theology is nothing dry and only for some doctors of theology or for priests. And secondly, when it had been several times, he knew us and somehow settled down, so he also celebrated the Eucharist in those flats with us. He allowed himself to be cardinal, and it was officially approved that he could celebrate the Eucharist in private. It also put us together beautifully. It was always somewhere else, because we thought it couldn't be in one place permanently. It was more serious here than going to pray together. We had always set up a date on which the assistant Jirek were supposed to arrive. We knew his name was Jiri, otherwise we didn't know where he was from. Josef Zvěřina coined the motto, who does not have to know, must not know, which we completely respected. There was always a date when someone had a birthday or something. We met somewhere in the apartment and it was like the man's birthday. It wouldn't work anyway, but at least we did it that way. There were many places and one of them was also at home, where it was possible sometimes that Josef Zvěřina or his assistant had a theological course with us. "

"I sat at the gatehouse for three-quarters of an hour, and then the one who picked us up on the train came for me. They had it nice. He led me to the third floor. First floor, the bars behind me. Second floor, bars again. Then a classic, one a good cop, the other the bad one. One: 'Be sensible. So let's talk. ”The second, Stajgr, again some threats. They were no longer interested in any books and our trip to Prague. They were interested in the people here, and Štajgr began with the first question: “When was the last time you saw Pavel Kupka?” Pavel was no longer in Olomouc, he was without consent. I say, 'It's been a long time.' 'How long?' I say, 'A long time.' He looked at me with that cold look. 'It can take a long time for you to leave us, too.' It wasn't just words, because when they caught Michal Mrtvy at his place and then drove him to the interrogation, they told him:"Take your coat, Mr. Mrtvy, when you'll return at night, it will be cold." And he returned after 6 months. It wasn't just threatening words. You know, there's a difference between a religious person and an active religious person.I think you understand me. ‘And now some of the materials, do you have any at home? I said, 'I don't have it.' He says, 'Come on, let's go see.' So they put me in the car, they made a search of my house, not drastic, but the confiscated some of my materials and then we returned. In comparison with the experiences of others, this was just an episode. But I didn't feel safe. I didn't know what would happen. Then the protocol. "Read it". You could not have concentrated on that. I was reading the text, enclosed by members of StB. They were staring at me, and now I didn't know what would happen, if they hit me or not. I couldn't focus much on the text. "